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clevermanka ([personal profile] clevermanka) wrote2008-09-12 08:35 am
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I would rather float in bliss than limbo

I'm not putting this one behind an LJ-cut. Watch it. Pass it on.




This I am putting behind a cut because it's huge:
About The Political Compass™

In the introduction, we explained the inadequacies of the traditional left-right line.



If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet.

That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian.



Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period

You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.

The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)



The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.

In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23



Take the test yourself.

The link to that test was provided by Julie Zarate, my current and long-time favorite independent artist, in a blog entry from yesterday. She lives in Huston and is currently hunkered down to await, and hopefully ride out, Hurricane Ike. My thoughts are with her and her family.

Now, another YouTube, this one from [livejournal.com profile] cera and behind a cut. I've never heard of this show or this guy, but I think he might give Jon Stewart a run for his money in my impossible-crush world.


Please check out [livejournal.com profile] adammaker's post today, with one of the best animated cartoons evar, or just see below, in the comments.

A fairly new LJ RSS feed: Women Against Sarah Palin.

File this under OMGWTFBBQ: The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election.

Introspection Alert! This morning I feel I don't know myself outside of my political and social views/opinions. I'm floating in a weird place of not just being unaware of where I'm going (that happens all the time and generally I'm fine with it), but I'm unaware of where I even might want to go, much less why I want to go, or how to get there. It's an odd, uncomfortable place.

And the whole outdoors smells like wet dog. Gross.

Cross posted from my journal, per your request.

[identity profile] adammaker.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)

[identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

[identity profile] femfataleatron.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It boggles my bleeding heart brain that some people would use these sort of tactics. Its like it's the meano-liar heads vs. the gentle can't-we just-get-along people. Normally I would be tempted to say it was just exaggeration, but it really seems to be playing out that way. It is becoming harder to resolve my rationalization that all people are generally good. Whatever am I to do. (besides shrink further into cynicism)?

[identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
It is becoming harder to resolve my rationalization that all people are generally good.

Luckily for me, I have never had this expectation of humanity. So my hopes didn't have as far to fall.

[identity profile] geekmom.livejournal.com 2008-09-12 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
McCain is the biggest fucking tool on the planet for approving that message. We so can't have him in the white house. We just can't.
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[identity profile] starstraf.livejournal.com 2008-09-17 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
You might like this site (From a friends locked post)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Fact-checking the claims and attacks being made on both sides of the political razor wire. Particularly important reading if you believed everything ANYBODY said in their convention speech, at either convention. And sorry, kids, but Sarah Palin's speech does not score well, and allegations of a partisan bias by this particular site are going to be tough to support.

[identity profile] clevermanka.livejournal.com 2008-09-18 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! Things like non-partisan fact checkers are a big WIN in my book. Since I'm of the opinion that both parties are full of money-grubbing lying assholes..